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have a worry about the consumer and tax refunds will start coming now. credit conditions support employment and certainly consumer staples look very expensive. >> what about utilities up 19% so far this year? utilities are up 16% and health care up 19%. is your money safe in there? will they continue to hold up? >> we've been overweight utilities so i'm not going to be too uncomfortable with that and that's improvement with natural gas prices and in health care it's been very much about dividends and that we saw reimbursement rates that were supposed to be cut recallier this year, and i think it's too late to be on the healthcare bandwagon. >> sectors like materials which have not been with the rally and do you think some of the underperforming sectors will catch up? >> we are worried about materials still and we have to be careful in the u.s., chemicals are 20% metals and mining and look at the s&p 500 materials sector. europe is a big problem for chemical companies and even though they have shale gas as a feed stock, the problem is 20%, 25% of their business is probably going t
the last couple of months. >> there are good articles in the papers today about how the tax receipts were better than expected so far, and the money back out for your refund, much lower than expected and that could be a dollar issue. i know family dollar flagged that, and the ceo of pvh came on "mad money" and said, it was 20 degrees too cold so we had the -- all of the stores had the wrong merchandise and they had the so-called cruisewear. it was obviously a multi-factor issue and it was not just one thing that says target was bad. walmart was not bad and a very good note. costco, and i'm -- i thought that was interesting. surrounded by costco and walmart. you know those cultures are not weather cultures. >> yeah. ubs initiates with a buy on those two and a neutral on target, but someone pointed out the sales trend on target, jim, from the past four quarters has gone from 5-3, 2-9, .4 and now they're looking flat. >> they're not a jc penney beneficiary and walmart is not very renewed in its tenacious way to take on target and underneath the dollar generals. i know people don't associate
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